Robert Marmion

  Noted events in his life were:

• Background Information. ¹⁶⁰
Milicent of Rethel, daughter of Elizabeth (or Isabel) of Namur & Gervais, Count of Rethel, married, as her first husband, Robert Marmion, born probably 1090-1090 in Normandy, killed 1143 or 1144 at Coventry, son of Roger who first appear in the Lindsey Survey of Lincolnshire 1115-1118. Milicent married as her second husband, Richard de Carmville.

~Weis' Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700, 246a:24-25

• Background Information: From GEN-MEDIEVAL-L Archives. ¹⁹³
From: "Alan B. Wilson" <abwilson@UCLINK2.BERKELEY.EDU>
Subject: MARMIONS in the ancestry of Thomas Bradbury
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 21:26:08

The main line of the Marmion family, who held Scrivelsby in Lincolnshire and Tamworth on the border of Warwickshire and Staffordshire, has been more difficult to sort out. This is primarily because there were four consecutive holders of the barony named "Robert" (as shown by Round, "Feudal England," pp. 156-157). This has made it difficult to firmly associate documents naming "Robert Marmion" with a particular generation. (Indeed, at least one of these Roberts named two of his sons Robert.)

Also some authors have ignored and others have diverged on the placement of a daughter of Gervase, Count of Rethel, who was married to one of the Robert Marmions. Below is what I now have for the main Marmion line, with some attention paid to the reasons for the identification of the daughter of Gervase of Rethel (which comes from Moriarty). The rest of the line is consistent with an early work by C. F. Palmer, The History of the Town and Castle of Tamworth.

MARMIONS OF SCRIVELSBY AND TAMWORTH:

1. Roger Marmion, alive during Lindsey Survey , 1115-1118, d. say 1130.

2. Robert I Marmion, b. circa 1109, slain 1143/1144, m. circa 1130/1133 Milicent, dau. of Gervase, Count of Rethel & Elizabeth de Namur. Milicent m. secondly Richard de Camville. Robert evicted the monks of Coventry and profaned their church. C. T. Clay in an article, "Marmion," in The Complete Peerage, viii, 505-522, indicates that Milicent's parentage is unknown. He lists (?) Elizabeth, dau. of Gervase, Count of Rethel, as the wife of Robert II, son of Milicent (who appears below). Schwennicke (ed.) Europaische Stammtafeln, iii, 625 also lists Elisabeth de Rethel as wife of Robert de Marmion who d. 1181. ES cites Cockayne viii, 509, in connection with this table so this cannot be taken as an independent confirmation. Moriarty in TAG xx (Jan, 1944), 255-256, points out that Alberic, Canon of Huyon-sur-Meuse states that Clarembald de Rosoy, who m. Elizabeth de Namur after the death of Gervase in 1124, in order to disinherit her, married the only daughter of Gervase out of the country to a certain noble of Normandy named Robert Marmion. But Alberic does not give the name of the daughter or specify which Robert Marmion was her husband. The daughter of Count Gervase was married about 1132/3, so chronologically it would more likely be to Robert I than to Robert II. The mother of Count Gervase of Rethel was Milicent of Montlhery. Thus Milicent, the wife of Robert I could have been named for her paternal grandmother. Queen Adeliza of Louvain, wife of Henry I, gave part of Stanton, Co. Oxon, to Milicent, wife of Robert Marmion, "cognata mea." Stanton passed with Isabel, dau. of Milicent and Richard de Camville to her husband, Robert de Harcourt as her maritagium, and Stanton Harcourt has subsequently remained in that family. Queen Adeliza was a second cousin of the daughter of Gervase, both being descended from Albert III de Namur, d. 1102, & Ida of Saxony. Moriarty concludes, in view of these arguments, that it was Robert I who married the daughter of the Count of Rethel, and that her name was Milicent. This corrects Palmer, History of the Baronial Family of Marmion, 1875, Watson (The Genealogist, n.s., xiv, 70), Clay in Complete Peerage (vii, 509), and, of course, although not then published, ES, iii, 625.

Robert married Milicent de Rethel, daughter of Gervais de Rethel and Elizabeth of Namur.¹⁹³ (Milicent de Rethel was born in Rethel, Ardennes.)